
sheela
07-11 08:29 AM
Yes, you're right, for you it's really great news ! Congratulations !!!
Rita
Thanks, Rita:
You got us this nice news. EB2 was stuck at april 04 for long. We saw this speculative forward move. It is going to stay in 2006 for a while as fewer LC were issued in 05 I donot see it retrogressed in next fiscal year
Rita
Thanks, Rita:
You got us this nice news. EB2 was stuck at april 04 for long. We saw this speculative forward move. It is going to stay in 2006 for a while as fewer LC were issued in 05 I donot see it retrogressed in next fiscal year

nojoke
09-05 09:11 PM
I remember that in the early nineties it was next to impossible to get a home loan in India. I think the only company which gave out home loans was HDFC and the interest rate was a whopping 16%. Property prices at that time conformed to what people could actually afford as the house had to be either paid in full or you had to take out a loan from your provident fund.
Fast forward to 2000 and beyond. After the Indian rupee became fully convertible and the banking regulations were relaxed every bank or finance company started to make loans. The upshot of that is that everyone could buy a house and car through taking out loans. This of course created this huge demand for new housing from the middle class which translated into a steep increase in land and property prices.
This may not exactly be a total bubble as loans are there to stay. What is happening though is that home construction is going on at a rapid pace and at some point Indian cities and their suburbs may be overbuilt. At that point you would be stuck with your house and not be able to sell as is happening in the US. Of course some markets will correct but I donot think Bombay, Bangalore or Hyderabad will.
I'm a a total layman regarding such issues and I am just trying to reason this through.
There has been a correction already going on in Bombay and Bangalore. Bombay has lost 30%. It is in the news.
Fast forward to 2000 and beyond. After the Indian rupee became fully convertible and the banking regulations were relaxed every bank or finance company started to make loans. The upshot of that is that everyone could buy a house and car through taking out loans. This of course created this huge demand for new housing from the middle class which translated into a steep increase in land and property prices.
This may not exactly be a total bubble as loans are there to stay. What is happening though is that home construction is going on at a rapid pace and at some point Indian cities and their suburbs may be overbuilt. At that point you would be stuck with your house and not be able to sell as is happening in the US. Of course some markets will correct but I donot think Bombay, Bangalore or Hyderabad will.
I'm a a total layman regarding such issues and I am just trying to reason this through.
There has been a correction already going on in Bombay and Bangalore. Bombay has lost 30%. It is in the news.

Milind123
09-17 12:51 PM
Enough of serious talk. Lets all have a lighter moment. Chandu, and others, thanks for all the hard work you have put in. Please take a moment to enjoy this joke. It contains the word sex, yet is very clean.
A 11 year old boy goes to his dad and asks �Daddy what is sex?�. Poor daddy was not prepared to face this sudden unexpected question. Anyways, he gathers himself and replies back �Son, this is going to take sometime to explain. Why don�t we go to McDonald�s for lunch.� As they are driving to McDee�s, the father is trying to rearrange his thoughts to answer his son�s question. They have a nice lunch and the father is finally able to answer his son�s question using the birds and the bees as examples (at this time the two bees at the coke machine are probably complaining to each other, why all fathers never talk about the actual characters). Anyway, after listening to his father speak. The son replies back, drawing out a piece of paper �It is still confusing to me. How do I fit all that in this tiny box.� On the piece of paper are two boxes with M and F next to it.
Contributions are welcome if you enjoyed it and also believe in IV efforts.
A 11 year old boy goes to his dad and asks �Daddy what is sex?�. Poor daddy was not prepared to face this sudden unexpected question. Anyways, he gathers himself and replies back �Son, this is going to take sometime to explain. Why don�t we go to McDonald�s for lunch.� As they are driving to McDee�s, the father is trying to rearrange his thoughts to answer his son�s question. They have a nice lunch and the father is finally able to answer his son�s question using the birds and the bees as examples (at this time the two bees at the coke machine are probably complaining to each other, why all fathers never talk about the actual characters). Anyway, after listening to his father speak. The son replies back, drawing out a piece of paper �It is still confusing to me. How do I fit all that in this tiny box.� On the piece of paper are two boxes with M and F next to it.
Contributions are welcome if you enjoyed it and also believe in IV efforts.

HV000
07-21 08:33 PM
Please write to your CA SENATORS about the EB BACKLOG which is going to last for more years from now.
Its INTERESTING THAT DEMOCRATS HAVE SPENT A LOT OF TIME AND LOBBIED FOR ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION!:mad:
Its INTERESTING THAT DEMOCRATS HAVE SPENT A LOT OF TIME AND LOBBIED FOR ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION!:mad:
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gaz
09-10 12:20 AM
the construction boom has seen some upward movement in the lower classes also. try finding an electrician or plumber in any big city in India to do some small chore.
also remember that the big cities (Mumbai, Delhi, Chennai, Hyd/Secunderabad, NOIDA, Guragaon etc. and satellite areas) are seeing the huge rise in prices. These also coincide with the centers of tremendous progress and huge purchase power for people. Smaller cities also have a hike in prices but nothing comparable. So the average Indian does not really get affected a lot. The average city dweller is either renting by paying a ton of money or is spending a ton of money for a house. Scary thing is either ways they are able to afford it. Makes the US salary seem meaningless in comparison (comparing quality of life here and not just money).
[quote] to add to the conversation on the price -> locals are also experiencing a glut of money due to the economic boom in the last 5 years or so. Small businesses have really taken off in a big way exporting to Europe/ US. Investors in the stock market have also hit the jackpot. And, once you have money, for most Indians the safest option to invest is in property or gold.
Also better salaries all around fueled by attrition of talent to the IT sector. [quote]
This may be correct to certain extent but only the elite class and creamy layer of 1.8% of total population. When we look at the bigger picture of the country, I could not connect the dots. GDP is just above $2500 and PPP is about $3300. How in the world will you justify $200,000 to $300,000. Plus the cost of financing the purchase.
In simple terms, median home price is 100 times the GDP and life expectancy in india is 70 years. average work life span is 40 years. Home Mortgages are 15, 20 or 25 years in India which will cover only 1/4th of the median price of a home based on even anticipated high GDP growth and considering moderate increase in cost of living. Given that the risk of default is huge and banks are running at very high risk. I believe buying a house is a big gamble in India and more to that for Banks, lending is also a big gamble.
Note that according to banks, investment in apartments capitalize only over 25 years in india. (Rent vs. Own) Is this correct? Average rentals in ONLY Big cities are Rs. 12000 ($275 / month $3300 a year) to 15000 ($340 / month $4000 a year) for the same 1000 sqft 2 bedroom apartments which itself is above the GDP :). What that tells me, even the rentals are also not affordable to majority of the population. Back to captalization part 4000 * 25 = 100,000. which is half of the investment... add the alternate investment value for 25 years, capitalization will be way below 50%.
That means it will take more than 50 years to capatilize the investment. This is more that Mod average work life span of 40 years. Note that Maintenance and Taxes for 25 years excluded in above calc. Are banks stupid?
I do not know what to tell ya man! To me its really scary
A small credit crunch (crisis is not required) might bring the entire economy to floor.
fine print: (Above analysis applies only for working taxpaying people like us who does not have unaccounted money.)
also remember that the big cities (Mumbai, Delhi, Chennai, Hyd/Secunderabad, NOIDA, Guragaon etc. and satellite areas) are seeing the huge rise in prices. These also coincide with the centers of tremendous progress and huge purchase power for people. Smaller cities also have a hike in prices but nothing comparable. So the average Indian does not really get affected a lot. The average city dweller is either renting by paying a ton of money or is spending a ton of money for a house. Scary thing is either ways they are able to afford it. Makes the US salary seem meaningless in comparison (comparing quality of life here and not just money).
[quote] to add to the conversation on the price -> locals are also experiencing a glut of money due to the economic boom in the last 5 years or so. Small businesses have really taken off in a big way exporting to Europe/ US. Investors in the stock market have also hit the jackpot. And, once you have money, for most Indians the safest option to invest is in property or gold.
Also better salaries all around fueled by attrition of talent to the IT sector. [quote]
This may be correct to certain extent but only the elite class and creamy layer of 1.8% of total population. When we look at the bigger picture of the country, I could not connect the dots. GDP is just above $2500 and PPP is about $3300. How in the world will you justify $200,000 to $300,000. Plus the cost of financing the purchase.
In simple terms, median home price is 100 times the GDP and life expectancy in india is 70 years. average work life span is 40 years. Home Mortgages are 15, 20 or 25 years in India which will cover only 1/4th of the median price of a home based on even anticipated high GDP growth and considering moderate increase in cost of living. Given that the risk of default is huge and banks are running at very high risk. I believe buying a house is a big gamble in India and more to that for Banks, lending is also a big gamble.
Note that according to banks, investment in apartments capitalize only over 25 years in india. (Rent vs. Own) Is this correct? Average rentals in ONLY Big cities are Rs. 12000 ($275 / month $3300 a year) to 15000 ($340 / month $4000 a year) for the same 1000 sqft 2 bedroom apartments which itself is above the GDP :). What that tells me, even the rentals are also not affordable to majority of the population. Back to captalization part 4000 * 25 = 100,000. which is half of the investment... add the alternate investment value for 25 years, capitalization will be way below 50%.
That means it will take more than 50 years to capatilize the investment. This is more that Mod average work life span of 40 years. Note that Maintenance and Taxes for 25 years excluded in above calc. Are banks stupid?
I do not know what to tell ya man! To me its really scary
A small credit crunch (crisis is not required) might bring the entire economy to floor.
fine print: (Above analysis applies only for working taxpaying people like us who does not have unaccounted money.)

Mouns
04-30 03:26 PM
Due to 9/11?
Do you understand the frustration among people who want to make this work and who want to defend the system?
In other way, what good is there to follow the law while illegals have it easier?
Great question!
--- Answer
yes we understand (sure...). Two kinds of backlogs:
1) Processing backlogs, due to the surge and other issues. We try to provide services timely, we understand our responsibility (no info as to what is being done and how this will change in the future)
2) Limitations due to law: (PDs). Demands is greater than the visa numbers (China, India, Mexico, Philipine: You are screwed here!) => 20 years or more of waiting.
Do you understand the frustration among people who want to make this work and who want to defend the system?
In other way, what good is there to follow the law while illegals have it easier?
Great question!
--- Answer
yes we understand (sure...). Two kinds of backlogs:
1) Processing backlogs, due to the surge and other issues. We try to provide services timely, we understand our responsibility (no info as to what is being done and how this will change in the future)
2) Limitations due to law: (PDs). Demands is greater than the visa numbers (China, India, Mexico, Philipine: You are screwed here!) => 20 years or more of waiting.
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green_world
09-12 07:28 PM
First time contribution of $100...
Good work IV..
Order Details - Sep 12, 2007 19:50 GMT-04:00
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Good work IV..
Order Details - Sep 12, 2007 19:50 GMT-04:00
Google Order #510095991304725

Mouns
04-30 03:05 PM
... King is happy with the current numbers. "Don't take the risk to go over the caps" he says...
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ind_game
05-20 12:15 PM
Thanks a lot for all the members who have shared their knowledge and insight into this issue.
Also, my special thanks to chanduv23 with whom I have been in touch through out the process with congressional office.
Also, my special thanks to chanduv23 with whom I have been in touch through out the process with congressional office.
gg10004
03-17 10:08 PM
IRS faq clearly states that everyone on the tax return should have ssn. Even if one has ITIN no one will get the extra refund. Please read IRS faqs
http://www.irs.gov/newsroom/article/0,,id=179181,00.html
I myself am filing for extension to get ssn for my wife, i have her EAD but she is in India, so have to wait for her to come back and file for ssn.
Q. I file using an individual taxpayer identification number (ITIN). Can I still get a stimulus payment?
A: No. The law does not allow stimulus payments to people who file a return using an ITIN. A taxpayer must have a valid Social Security Number to qualify for the stimulus payment. If married filing jointly, both taxpayers must have a valid Social Security Number. And children must have valid Social Security Numbers to be eligible as qualifying children.
Q. I have an ITIN, but my spouse has a valid Social Security number. Can we get a payment?
A. If you and your spouse file a joint return, you will not get a stimulus payment. If your spouse files a separate return, your spouse may qualify for a payment, based on his or her income deductions and credits.
Q. If I have a valid Social Security Number and my child has an ITIN, do I get extra money for the child?
A. No. To qualify for the extra credit for qualifying children, not only do the taxpayer and spouse, if filing jointly, need valid Social Security Numbers, but the qualifying child must also have a valid Social Security Number.
http://www.irs.gov/newsroom/article/0,,id=179181,00.html
I myself am filing for extension to get ssn for my wife, i have her EAD but she is in India, so have to wait for her to come back and file for ssn.
Q. I file using an individual taxpayer identification number (ITIN). Can I still get a stimulus payment?
A: No. The law does not allow stimulus payments to people who file a return using an ITIN. A taxpayer must have a valid Social Security Number to qualify for the stimulus payment. If married filing jointly, both taxpayers must have a valid Social Security Number. And children must have valid Social Security Numbers to be eligible as qualifying children.
Q. I have an ITIN, but my spouse has a valid Social Security number. Can we get a payment?
A. If you and your spouse file a joint return, you will not get a stimulus payment. If your spouse files a separate return, your spouse may qualify for a payment, based on his or her income deductions and credits.
Q. If I have a valid Social Security Number and my child has an ITIN, do I get extra money for the child?
A. No. To qualify for the extra credit for qualifying children, not only do the taxpayer and spouse, if filing jointly, need valid Social Security Numbers, but the qualifying child must also have a valid Social Security Number.
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GCBy3000
06-03 02:38 PM
Yes every member has their own issues. We cannot solve individual issue one by one. That is why you have to contribute to IV and join hands with IV to solve our issue.
Also, if this May 15th date is true, then why the hell in world the backlog center is still open and working on dead cases. The cases will be dead only if the law is passed. May be they are also confused as we are.
I received good news on June 1, 2007 that my I-140 is approved. It was received by USCIS on May 22, 2007. Then later that day I saw the new immigration bill. If this very unreasonable bill (EB backlog) will be passed the wasting of all the money, time, stress, anxiety and hope towards the GC procedure will make the whole thing look like a bitter joke. This is beyong my wildest imagination on how bad things can go since we are all hard-working and law-abiding legal immigrants. Is it a punishment for being a good member of society?
I'm praying that it will not be given any consideration by those who have powers.
Also, if this May 15th date is true, then why the hell in world the backlog center is still open and working on dead cases. The cases will be dead only if the law is passed. May be they are also confused as we are.
I received good news on June 1, 2007 that my I-140 is approved. It was received by USCIS on May 22, 2007. Then later that day I saw the new immigration bill. If this very unreasonable bill (EB backlog) will be passed the wasting of all the money, time, stress, anxiety and hope towards the GC procedure will make the whole thing look like a bitter joke. This is beyong my wildest imagination on how bad things can go since we are all hard-working and law-abiding legal immigrants. Is it a punishment for being a good member of society?
I'm praying that it will not be given any consideration by those who have powers.

ragz4u
03-16 10:07 AM
The number to call is 202-737-3220. Tell the receptionist that the Judiciary Committee hearing cannot be heard from Dirksen Rm 226 and that it is extremely important for you to hear this live as it unfolds
If a lot of folks call, they will make sure it works!
If you call up, leave a post here so we know that you have called too....
Lets get going guys....
If a lot of folks call, they will make sure it works!
If you call up, leave a post here so we know that you have called too....
Lets get going guys....
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lonedesi
06-21 11:22 AM
Guys, please continue to leave voice messages, emailing & faxing those idiots at Atlanta PERM center who moved the staff to do other work like processing h2b cases. We need to be persistent if we need any positive outcome. Would those idiots who reassigned staff to do other work, now turn around and help us be reassigining more staff to clear the backlogs? We need to keep questioning them and bombard them with emails, fax and phone calls. It is very important that we act now, if not you all know how delicate of situation we are all finding ourselves in. Please call/email/fax everyone at Atlanta DOL, DOL secratary Elaine Chao and also Assistant Secretary Emily Stover DeRocco.
Contact Details:
The Honorable Elaine L. Chao
Secretary of U.S. Department of Labor
200 Constitution Ave., NW
Washington, DC 20210
Elaine Chao's email is: secretaryelainechao@dol.gov
Phone number: 202-693-6000
Fax number for Office of the Secretary: 202-693-6111
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U.S. Department of Labor
Employment and Training Administration
Harris Tower
233 Peachtree Street, Suite 410
Atlanta, Georgia 30303
Phone: (404) 893-0101
Fax: (404) 893-4642
Email1: PLC.Atlanta@dol.gov
Email2: Perm.DFLC@dol.gov
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Key personnel at ETA
Assistant Secretary Emily Stover DeRocco (202) 693-2700
Deputy Assistant Secretary Douglas F. Small
Deputy Assistant Secretary Mason Bishop (202) 693-2700
Email: etapagemaster@dol.gov
Contact Details:
The Honorable Elaine L. Chao
Secretary of U.S. Department of Labor
200 Constitution Ave., NW
Washington, DC 20210
Elaine Chao's email is: secretaryelainechao@dol.gov
Phone number: 202-693-6000
Fax number for Office of the Secretary: 202-693-6111
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U.S. Department of Labor
Employment and Training Administration
Harris Tower
233 Peachtree Street, Suite 410
Atlanta, Georgia 30303
Phone: (404) 893-0101
Fax: (404) 893-4642
Email1: PLC.Atlanta@dol.gov
Email2: Perm.DFLC@dol.gov
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Key personnel at ETA
Assistant Secretary Emily Stover DeRocco (202) 693-2700
Deputy Assistant Secretary Douglas F. Small
Deputy Assistant Secretary Mason Bishop (202) 693-2700
Email: etapagemaster@dol.gov

pmamp
07-12 10:36 AM
Where did you get your DL renewed? Which state? :confused:
Hoosier land - Indiana.
Hoosier land - Indiana.
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Milind123
09-15 02:50 PM
Bump

raju123
07-07 12:27 PM
I would suggest to meet your local Senator and pursue your case. Age-out is the genuine problem and I believe no lawmaker will deny to help in age-out case for legals. Only thing you need to pursue them how monster of retrogression is killing kids of legals with age-out weapon!
I am fully support this matter
None of the bills being considered currently benefit children of would-be legal immigrants, while the children of illegal immigrants are protected by the proposed DREAM ACT. Please write to senators and house representatives highlighting the "age-out" problem.
Appreciate your contribution to IV.
I am fully support this matter
None of the bills being considered currently benefit children of would-be legal immigrants, while the children of illegal immigrants are protected by the proposed DREAM ACT. Please write to senators and house representatives highlighting the "age-out" problem.
Appreciate your contribution to IV.
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tikka
07-18 04:59 PM
Contributed $100 today and more to come.
If I can't volunteer my time, the least that I can do is contribute $.
much appreciated!
If I can't volunteer my time, the least that I can do is contribute $.
much appreciated!

new2gc
07-06 03:19 PM
.
>> Although 30,000 people are IV members
Update:
18,344 members have zero post.
21,807 members have zero or 1 post.
27,370 members have zero to 10 posts.
That should give an idea how many members are really "active" on IV.
Though IV core is doing a wonderful job as volunteers, no wonder why there is why there are only few active participants. I have asked my friends to join IV (some of them already joined during '07) they say that it is occupied by few senior members and anyone speaks against them or come up with any suggestions, they will
--> update the profile ( I feel that they should update)
--> contribute time and MONEY and there are many seniors who do not update their profile and still didn't donated a dollar....
--> If you speak up loud, you are an anti- and criticize until you leave the thread...
They say that it has become hangout joint for few and they rule...no suggestions from new comers are entertained here...IV is just depending on CIR which is known to fail from all fronts and IV is not working towards smaller bills....
>> Although 30,000 people are IV members
Update:
18,344 members have zero post.
21,807 members have zero or 1 post.
27,370 members have zero to 10 posts.
That should give an idea how many members are really "active" on IV.
Though IV core is doing a wonderful job as volunteers, no wonder why there is why there are only few active participants. I have asked my friends to join IV (some of them already joined during '07) they say that it is occupied by few senior members and anyone speaks against them or come up with any suggestions, they will
--> update the profile ( I feel that they should update)
--> contribute time and MONEY and there are many seniors who do not update their profile and still didn't donated a dollar....
--> If you speak up loud, you are an anti- and criticize until you leave the thread...
They say that it has become hangout joint for few and they rule...no suggestions from new comers are entertained here...IV is just depending on CIR which is known to fail from all fronts and IV is not working towards smaller bills....

GCBy3000
07-06 05:23 PM
I am not seeing this in mathew Oh site. Where did you get this from?
From OH mathew
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07/06/2007: Revised July 2007 Visa Bulletin
The State Department has just released new July 2007 Visa Bulletin rather than "Update." It appears that this is intended to make it official July 2007 Visa Bulletin rather than previous release which was "update" in anticipation of the ALF class action lawsuit. One of the claims which have been addressed by various sources, INCLUDING THIS WEBSITE, was whether "update" can be considered a revised Visa Bulletin for the purpose of the regulations of DOS and USCIS. If it is not, the USCIS would have no authority to reject the I-485 applications in July.
There is still confusion as to which one is considered July Visa Bulletin which is provided in the DOS and USCIS regulations as they have released three versions: (1) Visa Bulletin released in June; (2) Update of July Visa Bulletin; and (3) July Visa Bulletin which has just been released today. This can affect the definition of "class" of the class action and latter two releases can fall under the two different classes. I wonder why the DOS is adding further confusion to the nation which is already in a state of extreme confusion and in despair because of their previous action.
http://www.immigration-law.com/
From OH mathew
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07/06/2007: Revised July 2007 Visa Bulletin
The State Department has just released new July 2007 Visa Bulletin rather than "Update." It appears that this is intended to make it official July 2007 Visa Bulletin rather than previous release which was "update" in anticipation of the ALF class action lawsuit. One of the claims which have been addressed by various sources, INCLUDING THIS WEBSITE, was whether "update" can be considered a revised Visa Bulletin for the purpose of the regulations of DOS and USCIS. If it is not, the USCIS would have no authority to reject the I-485 applications in July.
There is still confusion as to which one is considered July Visa Bulletin which is provided in the DOS and USCIS regulations as they have released three versions: (1) Visa Bulletin released in June; (2) Update of July Visa Bulletin; and (3) July Visa Bulletin which has just been released today. This can affect the definition of "class" of the class action and latter two releases can fall under the two different classes. I wonder why the DOS is adding further confusion to the nation which is already in a state of extreme confusion and in despair because of their previous action.
http://www.immigration-law.com/
kinvin
02-12 11:48 AM
Fellow Sufferers,;)
For NON-RIR applicants, is the backlog center requiring the old advertisement process after the 45 day letter.
We had received the 45 day letter six months ago and there has been no communication from them since that time. (Seperate application PD May-03)
(Fellow travellers am I seeing an Oasis or is it a mirage.)
Thanks.
For NON-RIR applicants, is the backlog center requiring the old advertisement process after the 45 day letter.
We had received the 45 day letter six months ago and there has been no communication from them since that time. (Seperate application PD May-03)
(Fellow travellers am I seeing an Oasis or is it a mirage.)
Thanks.
browncow
07-05 05:09 PM
The idea is very brillinat and this actually benefits the current IV core too.
Usually, people get tired of leading a non-profit, too much of ones personal resources go into it.
A new leadership will bring new energy in form of people getting a title and make them more accountable to needs.
Every current commitee(current IV core) actually is the backbone of a non-profit, cos they carry lots of assets, in terms of connections they have developed, money they have accumulated, goals that they have set, etc...
So the current IV core can support the new commitee and take their help to take the organisation forward.
And as I previously mentioned, the organisation does not or should not cease to exits once our goals are met, they should then be lead by other non-immigrants who will have a whole different set of issues.
usually, a non-profits exec committee is elected by its members.
for eg. the 2009 members (paid), can vote for the IV president and the committe.
it doesnt make sense for evey EB immigant to go and start a new non-for-profit.
Usually, people get tired of leading a non-profit, too much of ones personal resources go into it.
A new leadership will bring new energy in form of people getting a title and make them more accountable to needs.
Every current commitee(current IV core) actually is the backbone of a non-profit, cos they carry lots of assets, in terms of connections they have developed, money they have accumulated, goals that they have set, etc...
So the current IV core can support the new commitee and take their help to take the organisation forward.
And as I previously mentioned, the organisation does not or should not cease to exits once our goals are met, they should then be lead by other non-immigrants who will have a whole different set of issues.
usually, a non-profits exec committee is elected by its members.
for eg. the 2009 members (paid), can vote for the IV president and the committe.
it doesnt make sense for evey EB immigant to go and start a new non-for-profit.
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